Comments on: Michael’s Mad Dream: A Pluto Maniacal Mutation

By: Cristina

Cristina — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:11:04 +0000

Frederick, I just saw your post about Michael Jackson, tracking what I wrote about him.
Well put and beautifully written. I particularly like the comparison with virgen Mary. That’s is exactly how it was. Him being a Virgo Sun -Pluto, with Moon in Pisces, he really enacted that archetype of Christ and his mother. Good one!
I’ve also written about his Sun-Pluto side, since everyone seems to speak about Michael Jackson as if he was just a Pisces, forgetting his incredible Plutonian obsession and power of conviction.
He seduced and manipulated that Dr. Murray to provide him with the medicines he wanted, playing to die, every night, to wake up following morning.
Still, he has given us his last gift: the awareness of the abuse of doctor in medicine, of their prescription power.
Am an Astrologer and a dancer, and I will never forget Michael Jackson.

By: kiwi

kiwi — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:53:26 +0000

I have sun conjunct pluto in libra 3 degrees and I feel fine.

By: MB

MB — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:08:51 +0000

Frederick,

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

By: Frederick

Frederick — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:10:48 +0000

Hi MB

In working with clients over the years I’ve noticed those with pronounced Pluto/Sun contacts do best when consciously confronting and integrating the classic Pluto impulses: the death process (people working in hospitals, hospice arrangements), emergency rooms, or depth psychology-oriented therapists. To name a few examples.

There’s a ‘do or die’ orientation to Sun Pluto types, so this needs a constructive outlet. Of course none of the planetary types are ‘personal’ per se, though Pluto seems to feel particularly impersonal. Which is fitting, death, when ‘it’ arrives, doesn’t really tap you on the shoulder and ask you if you’re ready to ‘make the journey’ Death is a culmination point to a cycle; you can’t un-cook cooked meat, so to speak.

By: MB

MB — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:33:26 +0000

Frederick, you offered a very interesting read on MJ and the Sun-Pluto person. I have a question. You wrote: “Unless given almost shamanic-like life training, Sun Pluto individuals approach existence from an impetus that most of us can barely fathom.” What does this mean? How does the Sun-Pluto person find such training or what steps could such a person take in order to rise above the “Pluto-maniacal” manifestations of such a combination?

Thank you.

By: Nancy Lambert

Nancy Lambert — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:58:43 +0000

Frederick,
I peresonally feel that Michael was so much like his father Joe, that Joe became jealous of him and beat him out of pure jealously. His father being a leo, and Michael only 8 days into virgo already passing through leo, was way ahead of his father. In my book, I believe Joe killed Michael when he was still a child.I almost feel joe might have payed the doctor to kill Michael so he couldn’t make a come back, knowing he would never see another dime again from his empire.
I also feel like the leo side of Michael, needed no security on this planet, yet the virgo, being a materialistic sign, needed all the things he didn’t get as a child, such as animals and other children to play with on his ranch.
I watched the funeral, and saw how no one would even acknowledge Joe. He finally sat down and din’t get up again to greet any of the stars that had something to say.
Just like Howard Stern, in Anna Nichole’s death, I feel he killed the son that Nichole loved more thatn life, tried to claim the new born little girl for the money and now look, he’s left with nothing but court dates. It’s all about the little children who don’t know what’s going on. Paris was told what to say at the end to cover up as though her daddy was good. She hardly ever saw him and I think at 11 she’s glad it’s over.
Sorry to have written so much, but youv’e got the whole thing wrapped up in a nut shell.
Keep up the good work you’ve started.
Sincerely,
Nancy

By: Ellen Longo

Ellen Longo — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:23:38 +0000

Thank you, Frederick. Reading your article made me wonder about something I wrote on my blog, astro4business.com, the day after Michael’s death. I wrote:

“The first [observation from his chart] is the incredible hard work and discipline it took to achieve what he did. His talents were so vast and by the time we saw him on stage they had been honed to a level that they looked absolutely natural, as if they poured from him fully perfected. Even in the early clips of him as a child he has such a natural stage presence that I somehow thought he was born with those moves. The sense I got from the chart was how much he worked behind the scenes, the hours and hours of writing, dancing, working out, rehearsal, costume designing, event planning, and everything else that came together to give the illusion of seamlessness by the time we saw him on stage.”

Now, after reading you, I wonder if, behind the scenes, he was obsessively rehearsing and reaching for Virgoan perfection. Do you think Pluto/Sun conjunction played a behind-the-scenes role in the massive display of his talent?

By: Cellibelle

Cellibelle — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:35:14 +0000

Thank you, Frederick, for the many insights. A great article. And for what it’s worth, the Sabian symbol for Michael’s Pluto at 3 degrees Virgo, is “Two guardian angels offering protection”. How ironic….and comforting. Rest in peace, Michael.

Lynn

By: DavidMichaelSmith

DavidMichaelSmith — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:57:36 +0000

Human existence is enigmatically grotesque enough all on its own without adding all those Jacksonian embellishments. I’d love to see a holographic projection of his thoughts. If that’s what they were.

By: kelly

kelly — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:13:41 +0000

never, never land.